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Monday, May 19, 2025

Thorass in D&D Honor Among Thieves

I was not in love with the 2023 D&D movie when I saw it early in theaters. But I love it now, while my complaints still stand, it’s a remarkable movie. One thing that I adore is how much it brings the world of the Forgotten Realms to life. 

This included in some props using the made-up script/alphabet that we have looked at before, Thorass. This is very popular, like the Latin is in our world. I am a philologist outside of these digital walls, and I always get a kick out of the codicological exercise of reading a manuscript. Maybe some paleography skill helps here?

This first one says, in English, “The High Sun Games.” The other two are bit blurry for easy deciphering. The second likely says something similar, though I believe the bottom one is for Korinn’s Keep.

Enjoy, amarast!



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Sunday, March 14, 2021

Thorass' Missing Dental Fricative Character

The most common alphabet in the Forgotten Realms once had a letter for "th"; now it doesn't, what happened to it? Alae, and well met! This is the Forgotten Realms Lyceum where we study all things Toril and Faerûn.

First Edition scripts, including the missing "th"

English uses an alphabet that manages to represent all the sounds of the language, while not having a letter for each sound. For example, English uses the digraph "th" to make the voiceless fricative (θ, as in thorn), voiced fricative (ð, as in father), and sometimes --"foll[ies] without warrant"-- just "t" (though actually sometimes for etymological reasons, such as the name Thomas). During the Old English period, English had a separate letter to represent where we now use the diprah "th". There were actually two, and they both could represent either the voiced or voiceless dental fricative; they were eth and thorn, written as ð and þ (both are still used in Icelandic).

In the Forgotten Realms, Thorass is a langauge, a langauge family, and an alphabet. The language, Thorass, was also known as Old/Auld Common, and is the pidgin common tongue's direct ancestor. It was a mix of Alzhedo and the ancient tongue of Jhaamdath. The language family therefore included Thorass, Common, as-well as Chondathan. 

Fifth Edition


The Thorass script is analogous to the Latin/English, as there are only twenty six letters like the modern English alphabet. While in Faerûn, Thorass was the common script for most human tongues, including Turmic, Chessentan, Illuskan, Durpari, etc. The script itself was derived from the Untheric runic syllabary, which we do not have any examples of.

"Hwæt, we Gar-Dena in gear-dagum,

þeod-cyninga þrym gefrunon,

hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon." (Beowulf lines 1-3)

Third Edition
In reality there are twenty six letters now in the current Fifth Edition Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. In the First Edition campaign setting "Grey Box", there were in fact twenty seven. These twenty seven are also present in the Second Edition box sets. It is when we get to Third Edition that the letter representing "th" was dropped. There are other things, mostly forgotten with time, since back in the Advanced Dungeons & Dragon days only a handful of languages were written, and most were just spoken languages.

A piece I made for fun, which utilizes the old "th" character,
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Espruar (the elven script) and Thorass were also changed drastically in Third Edition, and with the returning to roots of Fifth Edition, Thorass and Espruar went back to their AD&D versions minus, the "th" letter for Thorass. Sadly this will likely not return, as it is harder for English speakers to recognize and understand. Welladay, as a student of language, I appreciate the original work put into making a script that was not a complete copy of the English. Vlandranna, someday we will get the missing character back.

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Thursday, March 19, 2020

Oddities In Sembia Word Usage?

I am currently making my way through Sembia: Gateway To The Realms and am on book four of the seven part series. So far I am enjoying the series but today I wanted to point out some oddities in some Realms' specific words.

I first noticed them in The Butler: Resurrection by Paul S. Kemp, one of the short stories in The Halls of Stormweather(THoS) the anthology and book one of Sembia. Kemp uses the word "lurienal" to refer to the halfling language. For those who don't know, if the halfling language ever is referred to by name it is generally "luiric", and is presumably named for the nation of Luiren whose vast majority of its population being hin (ethnic term haflings use to refer to themselves by). Mayhap Kemp was just unaware of the already existing term of luiric, which seems to have existed at-least by 1999, THoS having been released in early 2000 both of these terms may have come into existence around the same time. Lurienal itself looks as if it tries to be the language of Luiren, but puts the i after the r instead of before. So far, I have not seen this word anywhere else.

Another word found in the same story by Kemp is "thayvian" in reference to a person of Thay. Not as obscure, Thay gets more attention in lore, this may sound queer to any familiar with the vastly more popular term "thayan". Again I thought that belike Kemp had simply created his own term because of the absence of knowing the common word. Thayan can be attested at least as far back as 1992. I thought these were all flukes of Kemp's but in Black Wolf by Dave Gross (Sembia #4, 2001) the author refers to a thayvian rug. Note that in Lord of Stormweather (Sembia #7, 2003), also by Gross, he instead uses the more popular Thayan. Again, maybe Thayvian exist elsewhere, but I have yet to encounter it outside of the Sembia series.

It could be that these are dialectal terms used by Sembians. What are your thoughts?

One we know is a word of "ancient Sembia" is the word wolmoner which literally means "vigil man" and originally meant bodyguard and advisor but as of the 14th century DR it generally meant a servant but could also be a bodyguard or even a spy.--

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Monday, March 16, 2020

Curses, Swears, and Expletives of Faerûn

People swear, everyone does it, even those who don't swear. The peoples of the Forgotten Realms are no different. When reading books set in the Forgotten Realms you will come across a variety of curses, some more often than others. Today I want to talk about a few of those that I have encountered the most.

I first encountered the Forgotten Realm's unique curses in the first novels I read: Brimstone Angels. Evans uses a handful of curses quite often in the series, and since there are a multitude of cultures in Faerûn, there are a multitude of languages with their own unique swear words too. The ones the tiefling sisters Farideh and Havilar use are Draconic, specifically the Tymantheran dialect.

"I am so stlarning scared for you" (pg. 304, Erin M. Evans, Fire In The Blood)

In a fantasy setting it makes perfect sense to have different curse words from our own. I have always been a fan of this, whether it's cursing by the Lord Ruler in Mistborn or growling light in the Wheel of Time. They help immerse readers in the fantastical worlds of the pages in front of them. The Forgotten Realms is no different.

I will list the ones that come to mind, though anyone who wants to comment any more are most welcome!


Common Tongue

Naeth, or the Southern Naed, is an exclamation meaning "dung"

Stlarn, as quoted above, and Hrast. Used like the f-word, but very mildly offensive. So basically "Stlarn you!" would be "Screw you!" or "Darn you!". Hrast is a little more complicated. Hrasting specifically is somehow a more mild form of stlarning. Hrast by itself means "damn" and in the south they say hrammar instead.

Sabruin and Tluin basically means "get lost", though tluin is harsher and is probably more comparable to "f* off"

Straek basically means "go kill yourself"

Dark (and empty) seems to be an expletive favored by those of the underworld in Selgaunt, Sembia (perhaps elsewhere too). The addition of empty is added for a harsher effect.


Draconic

Aithyas means s*

Dokaal, while not exactly a curse word is a term referring to bipedal humanoids in general.

Henich, or the Thymantheran Henish, apparently literally means an unhatched, rotten egg but can be translated as "bastard".

Karshoj is the F-word with Karshoji being f*ing

Pothachi means "dummy"


Dwarvish

Jargh means "idiot" or "joker" but was also a term used for halflings

Giant

Ettin is the term for a type of two headed giant but it really means "runt".
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